Wyll should make his own decisions (2024)

Wyll should make his own decisions

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fylimar#94785424/08/24 08:21 PM

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fylimar#94785524/08/24 08:41 PM

Wyll was 17 when he left Baldur's Gate and he was the only son and appointed heir to the Grand Duke.

At the time of Baldur's Gate 3 between 5-10 years have passed since he was exiled by his father.

For comparison this is a picture of Jude Bellingham at 16:

And this is Jude Bellingham at 21:

Are you telling me you wouldn't immediately recognize that this is the same person?

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fylimar#94785724/08/24 08:45 PM

I agree that it should be possible to allow Wyll to make his own mind up about what to do about his contract and his father. In fact, I think I reported the inability to do so as a bug in my first playthrough as it felt so wrong not to let him decide for himself.

Particularly as the other party members then were all judgy about him breaking the contract, when it was my character's call!

I do hope this is one of the improvements made to Wyll's writing in patch 7.

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The Red Queen#94786224/08/24 09:19 PM

I really hope too, but just in case that not, I thought I make a little 'Justice for Wyll' thread. They did him a bit dirty.
I'm actually one of the people, who liked the rewrite, but I think, they should have given him more reactivity and more to do. His story, together with Lae'zels, is the one, mostly tied to the main story and still, many people don't even recognise that Iron Throne and Ansur are basically part of his personal quest.

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The Red Queen#94786924/08/24 09:56 PM

The reactions to breaking the pact are so weird. In my game, Wyll had already gotten out of his first contract, and he was just waiting for the 6 months to be up. Selling his soul again makes him a tool for Mizora and ultimately Zariel. Mizora has already tried to trick him into killing an innocent person, Karlach. That's a completely pragmatic, non-selfish reasons why it's a terrible deal. But we can't point this out to the companions.

Their reactions are supportive if Shadowheart decides to kill her parents to escape pain. Why is that considered acceptable but avoiding eternal damnation isn't? At least Jaheira points out that any decent parent would never want want their child to take such a deal.

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SteelTempest#94787324/08/24 10:23 PM

Agreed, the reactions are all over the place with Wyll. I think, he deserves better, especially since they all were glad, when he decided to end his pact in the first place.

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fylimar#947924Yesterday at 04:41 PM

With other companions like Shadowheart, Astarion and Lae'zel taking them along on the quests that involve them can have a huge impact on the outcome and aftermath, but with Wyll it just doesn't matter if he is there or not.

"Oh Wyll, by the way, we saved your dad from the Iron Throne. He is over there in the corner, maybe you two should talk."

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papercut_ninja#947927Yesterday at 04:50 PM

Yes, I hate that. I make it my special focus to have him in my party and freeing his dad, when I do that quest.
That is, what I mean: people don't even realise that this is one of Wylls quests, same with Ansur.

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fylimar#947928Yesterday at 04:56 PM

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fylimar#947929Yesterday at 05:09 PM

Sometimes they even talk as if he made a choice that he didn't:

-Poor Wyll had to sacrifice his father to get out of his deal with Mizora.

-No he didn't, his father is right there, 10 feet away from you.

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fylimar#947934Yesterday at 05:55 PM

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Anska#947936Yesterday at 06:09 PM

I also get the feeling the reactions were written for an older version of Wyll's questline/arc. I actually think that may be the case for a few of the reactions after meeting Elminster again in Act 3.

Minsc says, "Goddess or no, it is a fearsome sting to be let down by a lover." Selunite Shadowheart says, "Poor Gale. I hope he knows that a goddess abandoning him needn't be the end - I know from experience." The news is that Mystra wants to talk to him now. It's the least abandoned he's been all game. I'm very curious about what Gale's arc was before rewrites, and how that impacted Mystra's characterization, but that's getting off topic.

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fylimar#947945Yesterday at 07:42 PM

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fylimar#9479796 hours ago

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fylimar#9479844 hours ago

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To be fair, Wyll is also the one who can actually oppose the main character and defend the grove against them. Problem with Karlach and the pact lies not within Wyll's lack of character, but in the overwhelming difficulty of choice. It is not the choice between 'evil path' and 'good path'.

You believe Karlach and spare her, you potentially get turned into a lemure and the Coast loses its sworn protector - many more families die at the hand of beasts and men.

You believe your source and kill Karlach, you gamble on saving the Sword Coast from the potentially dangerous infernal.

You agree to break the pact and forsake your father. That means the Gate loses its great general who contributed greatly to pursuing ideals that are embedded in Wyll's heart and mind. That ALSO means Wyll is now free from hurting the realms on the devil's command, there won't be new Karlach he needs to kill, there won't be time spent differently than helping the people.

Wyll's story is a balancing act, there is no obvious choice here, thats why I think its important to propose some hidden system aka 'nightsong points' for the change to be helpful, not harmful.

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fylimar#9479891 hour ago

@SteelTempest: Not to forget Halsin and his cryptic "I am sorry, but Mystra is wrong about you, Gale." What? Why? What do you know that I don't? It's the one that confuses me most of all. All the others can still be seen as a reflection of their past break-up and as concern that the reunion might not go well, but Halsin seems to be very certain about Mystra's opinion of Gale.

I don't feel Wyll is especially tied to the main plot - only Gale, Lae'zel and Durge are baked into it, Shadowheart maybe - but it's weird that you can't even suss out what his opinion might be and maybe have to convince him away from it. Depending on what you pick, he sometimes seems to fluctuate between defender of the Sword Coast and power-grabby noble within seconds without any foreshadowing that political power might be an interest of his. I also don't think it was the best decision to have his plot get even more muddled if you recruit Karlach than if you let her die in act 1.